But thats not at all what is going on here. When he made Eve, he took a rib, closed up Adams side with flesh and then he brought the woman to Adam. 9 GOD made all kinds of trees grow from the ground, trees beautiful to look at and good to eat. Privacy Policy. 16 The Lord God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and . One good example is Leviticus 26:12 AND I WILL WALK AMONG YOU AND BE YOUR GOD. For example, Enoch walked with God (Genesis 5:22, 24) and Noah walked with God (Genesis 6:9). God had told them to be fruitful and multiply (Genesis 1:28). Genesis 3:8 KJV. So they hid from the LORD God among the trees. It bothers me that I have believed the Bible stated this, and that I have told other people it says this for so long, and I have read the first three chapters of Genesis so many times. Hi Tim. One fine, perfect Edenic day Eve was out walking. But there is so much more to the story. We walk with the voice of God as well. Thank you for your thoughts I do understand the whirlwind , but Gen says God made them clothes from an animal to replace mans attempt of covering his nakedness. Canada AKA Commie Da under seditious King/Crime Minister Justin Trudeau!! I am searching for ideas about the absence of God in the Garden. Who was his wife? Im sure the water God supplied was for the animals as well as the people. I hope this helps. He is eternally begotten of the Father, one with the Father, in essence, but he had not yet become flesh. But the most beautiful thing of all was that they walked with GOD. Simply quoting Genesis 3:8 does not disprove the point of my post since that verse never says that they walked with God. Instead of adding our own ideas to Scripture and stating them dogmatically and demanding apologies from anyone who disagrees, perhaps we should learn to deal carefully with the word of God. It was the sound of God that Adam heard. But nowhere does it mention or even implies that they "saw" God face to face. I too have always heard that God walked with Adam & Eve in the cool of the day every day. September 13, 2019. Ive heard so many people claim that the Bible says Adam and Eve walked with God in the garden (and some even add these words, in the cool of the day). He was given the title of the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" because he knew good and evil. That is why I have a whole series of commonly misused Bible versesnot to condemn but to encourage believers to elevate Scripture above our own ideas that weve unwittingly added to it. Thanks for your comments. I think your comments were probably addressing this point though (http://midwestapologetics.org/blog/?p=1747). I have found Bible studies that indicate that God fellowshipped or walked with Adam and Eve, and they refer to Genesis 3:8. It would literally have been paradise just to walk with Jesus in the . The sound of movement. But, despite the beauty of God's new world, there was one thing missing. But even if that happens to be the right way to look at it, then it may still be correct to view this as a theophany. Hi Tim And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the afternoon; and both Adam and his wife hid themselves from the face of the Lord God in the midst of the trees of the garden. Another potential source for this idea is found in the statements made about those who did walk with God. ILL TAKE YOUR APOLIGE NOW ,,WHERE THEY USE TO WALK WITH GOD ,THEY CHOOSE TO HIDE !! But I am very clear in the post that I have no problem with the notion that they might have walked with Him. However, I dont see how your final statement about the garden has any relevance. What can we honestly infer from the scriptures? 1 They Could DECIDE Genesis 3:2-3. What an amazing thing to be able to do. Hi Carrie, Maybe it is implied elsewhere in the Bible? So it seems there would have been little or no point for God to have EVER been in their presence in the manner that this idea assumes: actually relating to them in the ordinary manner in which one human normally would relate to one or more other humans. Hi Bob, If so, then it seems to follow that there would be ongoing communion and communication between God, Adam, and Eve. Yes, Im aware that the KJV translates the term as voice. But look closely, notice that it never says they walked with the voice of God. 12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned. I just think that Adam and Eve would have needed alot of one on one guidance from God, in person, that of which they couldnt have possibly received by remote control. ~~~~~ There are other passages in Scripture about those who did walk with God. Adam tried to put the blame on Eve, and Eve tried to put the blame on the serpent, but God was angry with all three of them! Behold we shall not sow,nor gather in our increase: now look at 21 Then I will command my blessing upon you in the sixth year and it shall bring forth fruit for 3 years 22 and you shall sow the 8th year and eat of the old fruit until the 9th year until the fruits come in. God fashioned Eve out of Adam's rib (Genesis 2:22). But then you had already stated this was possible. You indicate a possible strong wind; did this wind also speak to the serpent and curse it? Would that seem that they must have heard His voice at some other time. I think this point has to be acknowledged regardless of whether you think the sound is God walking in the cool of day or God manifesting himself in a strong wind. If Im narrating a scene, I can write that the main character heard a certain sound (e.g., an approaching truck or an army on the march) before the character realizes what it is that he is hearing. Adam replies saying that he hid because he heard the sound of God. They heard God's approach as a terrible wind that lashed the trees of the garden, and they took cover. Why werent they mentioned? Of course, Adam and Eve walked with God in the Garden, its written right there in Genesisumahis it 3? Just like when we will be fully glorified in the new age, we shall see God, because we shall be sinless then; Adam couldnt have hid himself from wind alone, there must be an accompanied physical presence that he knew about; When you follow the account of Genesis at that material time, its hard to think that God was just coming through the medium of wind, then why did he create man in the first place, if at all he didnt want the man to see him? They were not merely spiritual beings at that point. Its beautiful imagery but youre right, the bible doesnt say this. Sorry for the delayed response. But what does it really matter, what appears to have happened here (according to some of the responses) is that golden calves have been kicked over and religion has taken a bump on the shins. 5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth[ a] and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams[ b] came up from the . Thanks again. Adam and Eve were ashamed of what they had done and afraid to face God, so they hid in the trees. After Adam and Eve sinned, God found them hiding from Him as He was walking in the Garden. The anthropomorphic description of God walking (mithallek) in the garden suggests the enjoyment of fellowship between him and our first parents. To spend time with Him. There isnt a verse like this about Adam and/or Eve. I could not find it. I can see that they heard either a sound or a voice. This verse appears immediately after our first parents rebelled against the Creator. Hi Tim you stated; How many pastors and other teachers have taught that the Bible says Adam and Eve walked with God in the garden? Every description used can also be said about the angelic beings. I just dont get your argument. God does not require a garden to have a direct relationship with man, so I dont see how the fact that God created a garden would have anything to do with whether they had a direct relationship (and by extension, that they walked together). I dont know if I will recieve a responce or not, but it does not say that God made them skins from animals. But your claim is based on only such a narrow standard. It doesn't come before, which furthers the notion that God would have been content with them being without clothes, at least provided they didn't eat from the Tree. 30? This just isnt found in the text and seems very unlikely in light of the details given in the post. Here is a portion of what I wrote on page 72 of my book, Fallen. But thats not at all what is going on here. Yes, I see that there are similarities, and I dont deny the possibility that God was present in the garden in a special way compared to the way that He is omnipresent. However, that fact has very little to do with whether He walked with Adam and Eve in the garden. I appreciate the encouraging words. They were to work the land 6 years right? Well, in Genesis 2, Adam names the animals, and the only words quoted from him in Gen. 2 have to do with what he said when he met Eve: This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh (Genesis 2:23). Genesis 3:8, CSB: Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden at the time of the evening breeze, and they hid from the Lord God . Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. But this does nothing to prove that they walked with God in the garden. Notice that I said that I would argue that they are probably made in His image. I didnt claim that there was a clear cut and dry case that is beyond dispute. My argument wouldnt focus on the things you mentioned. God bless you. Hi Sam, No, the One they were hiding from was one they were familiar with walking in the garden. As you supposed, God did provide water for the animals too. They are not taking a leisurely stroll with God, they are hiding from Him as He comes to announce His judgment. Not because I think Im right and feel holier than thou but it was just something burning in me saying NO. So if your standard were correct, then that same standard would itself have to be outright affirmed in the Bible. They had bone and flesh before they sinned, before they recognized their nakedness. To the second point in your conclusion, I think it is quite speculative. That he still comes to them even after theyve sinned emphasizes that they have made the first move away from him, before he moves them away from Himself by putting them out of Eden. Either way, prior to sin there was not a fractured relationship between God and man, but there certainly is as a result of sin. 18? Some people have inferred from this statement that they must have known what it sounded like to hear God walk in the Garden so they must have walked with Him before. God created Adam and Eve to care for His creation, populate the planet, and have a relationship with Him. When everything fell apart, so did the people. We know that God is capable of doing this, but my point is that the text never states or implies that He did. Apparently, you have missed the point of this entire post. God went down to talk with Adam and Eve as usual in the cool of the day, normally they would be in the open and easy to find, but this time when God came they were afraid and had hidden behind some trees or bushes. Thanks again for reading! Perhaps some people may have this figurative sense in mind when they speak of our first parents walking with God. the Bible states that the man (species) was driven out of the Garden of Eden. 21? Genesis 2:19 As you know, I couldnt find it. Perhaps some people may have this figurative sense in mind when they speak of our first parents walking with God. Adam said, I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked, and I hid myself (Genesis 3:10, ESV). If you had bothered to read the post, you would have read these words: 15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. God called (using a Hebrew word that also means "to summon") Adam to face . We'll come across one more tree towards the end of the chapter. Hi Nucc, Lastly, as scripture verifies scripture, we see the second Adam, known as Jesus Christ in regular and perpetual contact with the same God and Father. Josh 5:13-15 - the commander of the LORD's army (compare Rev 19:9, 10) Dan 3:25 - the "Son of God" in the fiery furnace. Nothing in that passage says it, and thats the main point of this post. I went to church this past Sunday and my pastor who is pretty good with the Word of God and quick to say if he is wrong said he had a revelation thats god ohyically walked with Adam and Eve and as he spoke my discernment clearly was NO THIS DID NOT HAPPEN. I think it would be odd for God to first come walking in the garden with Adam and Eve only after they had sinned. The first words recorded from Eve are from her encounter with the serpent. They were created pre-programmed by God. So if we can claim that they walked with God in perfect communion before sin, then we can stress how bad sin is because we dont get to do that anymore. It says that he went to the land of Nod and then she conceived a son (Enoch). 6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. If you eat from the tree in the middle of the garden, you will die!". He knew good because he once served God; he then knew evil because he committed evil in his rebellion from the Father. Your answer leaves many questions for me though Please explain the remaining context of Gen. 3 in Adams walk with God. Mentions of Eden are also made in the Bible elsewhere in Genesis, in Isaiah 51:3, Ezekiel 36:35, and Joel 2:3; Zechariah 14 and Ezekiel 47 use paradisical imagery without naming Eden. 8 Then GOD planted a garden in Eden, in the east. Anyway, Im very surprised I forgot to include a link to an article on theophanies that I wrote for Answers in Genesis. If that suggestion is accurate, then it would have been a physical presence of God coming in judgment, similar to how He spoke from the whirlwind in Job. These were things i highly cherished. In that claim, I put your OWN verbatim in single quotes. 1. What was their relationship? I dont have a problem with people thinking that Adam and Eve walked with God (as I stated, they may have), but I want people to realize that the Bible doesnt say that they did. Adam & Eve had been very naughty and they were hiding from the Lord!! I would argue that angels are probably made in His image as well,. If he was just manifesting himself in a strong wind, there would be no need to use the word walking. And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel.". is not an accurate analogy. The old has . God appointed angels to guard the way back (Genesis 3:23-24). Thanks for reading and sharing your thoughts. Hebrews 13:8 God is the same yesterday, and to day and forever more. To add to the post above, another theological consideration is the temple. Psalm 29 also uses strong imagery to show how the sound of the Lord acts upon nature like a powerful storm, breaking and bending trees and stripping off their leaves (Psalm 29:59, NET). All of the things you mentioned are plausible, but they do not build a watertight argument. My guess is that they would not have had nearly enough animals to eat over their forty year wandering. I would think that they received one on one instruction from God. Verse Concepts. well, they say that Jesuss life was that of God or perhaps he was God. Hi Ian, When God said, Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat Adam knew what a tree was, what the garden was, and what eating was. Now turn to Chapter 4 of Genesis verse 13 Cain said to the Lord, My punishment is more than I can bear. Whats different, and merits the commentary, is not that God has for the first time come to walk in the Garden, but that for the first time his walking in the Garden is responded to in fear and hiding, due to sin. So if this is accurate, then what Adam heard was the sound of the Lord moving in the garden, as indicated in the same translations mentioned above. They and their children would experience sickness, pain, and physical death. The serpent Satan asked her how she was doing. The children of Israel had a great amount of lifestock during the time of their exodus. After creating Adam, God "put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it" (Genesis 2:15). This would have been after God made Eve and Adam awoke and uttered the words in Genesis 2:23. In other words, human beings were made to reflect Gods gloryto show the world what God is likethrough who we are and what we do. Surely, He wouldve given them the ability to do that right from the start. Genesis 3:8 Can you imagine what it must have been like in the garden of Eden, before sin entered the world? The term used to explain this and other episodes is anthropomorphism (human-forms). by Erik Jones. This is stated in the incident where Moses disobeyed by striking the rock instead of speaking to it (Numbers 20:1011). (Vs. 21) Did the wind drive them out of the garden? Yes, I do understand that God desires relationship with His peopleto walk with them as they walk with Him. The main point of this entire post is to encourage Christians to look closely at Scripture, so that they will stop saying, The Bible says Adam and Eve walked with God or something very similar. Gen 18 - Abraham's discussion and bargaining with the LORD (YHWH) Ex 3 - Moses at the burning bush. 00:00. First it should be recognised that Genesis is a seed box if you want details you need to keep reading. I found it interesting that with all the opinions to the idea of walking with God in the comments section, not too many have thanked you for letting us know that Gods Word does not say that Adam or Eve walked with God in the Garden. Since they were both born in Genesis 4 (after the expulsion from the Garden), they didnt necessarily have to be 120+ by the year Seth was born. Its not even hard to imagine that Adam and Eve did walk with God prior to the fall. It seems from Scripture that they lived on manna exclusively. As I mentioned in the conclusion of the article, it is certainly possible that the Lord walked with Adam and Eve, and if He did, then it may well have been the preincarnate Christ who walked with them. Genesis 3:8. It seems likely that many people have just remembered some of the wording in this verse and assumed that it says Adam and Eve walked with God. Here is a link to the Wikicommons page showing that this illustration is in the public domain: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Schnorr_von_Carolsfeld_Bibel_in_Bildern_1860_009.png. In spite of being familiar with scripture, I never noticed that it doesnt exactly say this. I plan to search through it much more. Thanks for your question. Man, this helped challenge me to really read through the scriptures on this topic. WHY? Is it that they are referred to as sons of God? holy ones? Thats not exactly a clear cut and dry case, beyond dispute, based on those sparse details. I had always taken it for granted too that God walked with Adam in the cool of the day which He very well might haveand Id like to use my imagination and believe that He did but the Bible definitely doesnt say that He did. Never stop, word will not go void! No human can view the full reality of God and . Regarding your logic in your blog post here, titled, Did Adam and Eve Walk with God in the Garden? We know that God was with Adam and Eve at all times and wherever they were. The difficulties of translation, plus inevitable translator bias, can complicate getting a true understanding. The Lord could speak from His throne and these actions could be performed just as easily as if He had manifested in the garden to perform the actions. He was their friend. I just want to offer a thought about Cain and Abels ages. They consisted of both physical and spiritual components, just like all of their descendants, although originally they were without sin. Thanks! But since God formed (literally squeezed into shape) Adam and breathed into his nostrils and removed one of his ribs and closed up the wound and walked in the garden and spoke to Adam and Eve (and then Cain later on) in a way they could easily understand, the assumption is unavoidable that God was physically there in tangible form. Because they nearly always cite the verse about Adam and Eve hearing the sound of the Lord walking in the garden. The Bible doesnt say that, and that is the point of the article. Ive heard far too many people claim, The Bible says Adam and Eve walked with God in the cool of the day. Thats simply false. He was with them when they were deceived by Satan. When God asked them how they knew they were naked, and asked them if they had eaten from the tree they were not to. I agree with your conclusion that we should not assume that God was at Adam and Eves beck and call, coming around for a stroll whenever they wanted Him there, or that God spent considerable time fellowshipping with them in physical form as friends do. That certainly could have been the case if God made a physical appearance (called a theophany), as He did in other places (e.g., Genesis 12:7; 18:1. Did they do this daily, weekly, etc.? So what did they hear in the Garden? Finally, there are many who use the idea of Adam and Eve actually walking with God to stress the theological point of mans closeness to God prior to sin in order to contrast that with mans lost condition after sin. There is a possibility that we should understand that Hebrew text to be speaking about something more like the whirlwind at the end of Jobthat they heard the sound of God moving about (not walking) in the Garden. I clarified my statement about strong wind being a better translation to point out that there are scholars who make this claim, like J.J. Niehaus. My goal in these types of blog posts is to encourage believers to look carefully at the text. Maybe it is written somewhere else in other ancient writings? If I am walkin* with you I would assume you are walking with me? (Meditating upon God's Word makes it a consistent part of our daily . But this goes beyond them, it goes back to Adam and Eve.Adam and Eve had the privilege of being with God, the way that God had intended. Thats the one where I spend time talking about the ages of Cain and Abel. Also, its hard to know how much preprogramming Adam and Eve may have had when they were created and how much they needed to learn. He could have done it audibly from the heavens, or He could have spent time with Adam in the garden. This walking refers to living a life that pleases God. So comparing Adam and Eve to children who need to learn to talk, eat, etc. But there is no need to make the text outright say something it does not, in fact, outright say. How do I know? They were placed in the Garden of Eden and given everything they needed: food, work, companionship, and fellowship with God as they walked with him in the cool of the day (Genesis 3:8). Thanks for the kind words. Im always amazed at how strongly some people try to defend certain positions. 21 AND IF YOU WALK CONTRARY TO ME AND NOT LISTEN TO ME THEN I WILL ring 7 times more plagues upon you 22 I will also send wild beasts among you 23 and if you will not be reformed by me by these things BUT WILL WALK CONTRARY TO ME 24 THEN I WILL WALK CONTRARY TO YOU and punish you 7 times more for your sins God walking with people normally suggests closeness and intimacy and fellowship. He was there, He is everywhere and He was always with them. So Adam hears a sound, which he knows is the sound of God. 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